The Space Between
In this episode, Bevan Pfeiffer sits down with Johnson Chong. Shamanic practitioner, author, and transformational guide, for a profound exploration of what it really means to wake up. Together, they navigate the terrain where ancient wisdom meets modern psychology, asking what it takes to live, heal, and grow in a time of deep collective change.
Johnson opens up about his journey from a traditional upbringing to becoming a bridge between worlds, weaving together shamanic traditions, yogic insight, and therapeutic practice. The conversation touches the heart of consciousness itself: how we create meaning, the role of ritual in integrating experience, and the transformative potential of altered states, whether reached through ceremony, breath, or daily devotion.
This dialogue is less about answers and more about remembering, the body as teacher, ancestry as guide, and presence as medicine. Listeners will find practical wisdom for navigating their own path of self-inquiry, from the challenges of letting go to the courage of coming home to who we truly are.
If you’re drawn to the intersections of science, spirituality, and self-discovery, this episode offers both grounded insight and luminous perspective.
For more on Bevan’s therapeutic work, visit www.theembodiedmind.com.au.
To learn about Johnson’s retreats and teachings, visit www.johnsonchong.com.
Episodes

May 18, 2026
May 18, 2026
1 hr 41 min
Jess Redmayne has spent her life performing — on stage, on screen, and in the quiet spaces where no one's watching. But behind the roles is a woman who lost her mother to younger-onset dementia at 21, navigated grief while keeping up with the world, and has spent her thirties slowly unlearning the need to be anything other than herself.
In this conversation, Bevan and Jess go deep on:
Why your thirties might be the most freeing decade of your life
The slow grief of watching someone disappear before they die
Dopamine, shopping bans, and the psychology of feeling seen
What dementia actually is — and why it's now Australia's leading cause of death
Learning to name your emotions before they name you
The finger trick that got Jess through filming three days after her mum's funeral
This one moves. From authenticity to anxiety, from loss to legacy — it's a conversation about what it means to actually live in the space between who you were and who you're becoming.
Bevan's offerings:
www.theembodiedmind.com.au

May 6, 2026
May 6, 2026
1 hr 28 min
In this episode, Bevan sits down with Dr. Julien Ward — philosopher, psychotherapist, and professor of counselling — to explore one of the most profound questions at the intersection of trauma, identity, and Eastern philosophy: what are we, beneath the story we tell about ourselves?
Dr. Ward draws on Buddhist psychology, psychodynamic theory, Jungian individuation, and relational therapy to map the terrain between who we think we are and what actually remains when that construction begins to fall apart.
They explore:
Why the West lost contact with its own contemplative technologies — and why we keep reaching East to fill the void
How consumerism became the most seductive form of modern enslavement
The difference between Buddhist no-self and the person who still has to show up to their life
Why trauma doesn't just hurt — it det-temporises you, trapping you in a loop that forecloses a different future
The dangers of spiritual bypassing — and why meditation alone can't touch certain wounds
Group therapy, witnessing circles, and why healing was never meant to be a solo project
Psychedelics, vision quests, and the co-option of sacred technologies into consumer experiences
Why awe might be the closest thing we have to a universal therapeutic
This is a conversation for anyone who has ever felt like the self they're performing doesn't quite match the one underneath — and who suspects the gap between those two might be where the real work begins.
Bevan's offering:
www.theemboidedmind.com.au

May 6, 2026
May 6, 2026
1 hr 26 min
Most of us were never taught to enjoy sex — we were taught to perform it.
Taylor Neil is a somatic sexologist and sex educator whose work sits at the intersection of body-based healing, movement, and human sexuality. In this episode, we get into why so many people show up to sex thinking about everyone else's experience but their own, what it actually means to build a self-pleasure practice (and why it goes way beyond genital touch), and how your nervous system is secretly running the show in every intimate moment.
We cover:
The question Taylor carried for years: who is this for?
Why performance anxiety affects 85% of people seeking sex therapy
How your masturbation routine is probably built for efficiency, not pleasure
What orgasmic yoga is — and why it might change how you think about your body
The concept of "building a context" for pleasure and why it matters
Why setting a container is the key to actually dropping in
Self-aftercare, curiosity, and what lives on the other side of orgasm
This is one of the more honest and practical conversations I've had about a topic most people are too uncomfortable to talk about openly. Taylor brings a rare combination of clinical training and lived experience that makes this genuinely useful — not just interesting.
Expect to think differently about your body by the end of this one.
Bevans Website:
www.theembodiedmind.com.au
Taylor's website:
www.taylorneal.ca

Apr 15, 2026
Apr 15, 2026
1 hr 25 min
What if the way you breathe is the most honest thing about you?
Jason Evergreen is a neuro-somatic breathwork facilitator who went from drug-induced psychosis and autoimmune disease to building a practice that helps people rewire their nervous systems from the inside out. This conversation goes deep.
We explore why modern society is a culture of chronic inhalers — consuming, accumulating, and refusing to let go. We talk about the exhale as a metaphor for surrender, and why so many people are physiologically incapable of it. Jason shares the raw story of eight months in psychosis, what Eckhart Tolle gave him that medication couldn't, and how psilocybin therapy forced him to confront the shadow he'd been hauling since childhood.
We also get into masculinity — what it actually means to be a man right now, why vulnerability and resilience are the yin and yang of healthy masculinity, and why Australian men are starving themselves of the emotional contact they desperately need. Plus: fatherhood as spiritual initiation, the divine masculine, and how your breath in this moment is telling you exactly where you're at.
Expect: Internal Family Systems, Taoism, quantum physics, psychedelic integration, the neuroscience of heart coherence, and two therapists being radically honest about their own unfinished business.
Topics covered:
Why shallow chest breathing is a symptom of a society that can't let go
Drug-induced psychosis, and the book that pulled Jason out of it
How to enter the body through the heart first
Neuro-somatic breathwork vs. other modalities
Shadow work, psilocybin, and the critical integration window
Redefining masculinity beyond sacrifice and suppression
Fatherhood as the ultimate spiritual portal
Why giving solutions to an emotional partner is actually about your discomfort

Mar 9, 2026
Mar 9, 2026
1 hr 5 min
Jenna Kline is a postpartum advocate reshaping how we talk about motherhood.
In this conversation, Jenna reveals the transformation nobody warns you about—how becoming a mother requires a death of your old self, and why fighting that death is what makes postpartum so hard. She shares her experience of a 70-hour labor that ended in an unplanned C-section, working two weeks postpartum for a client who never asked if her baby survived, and why she wished she'd trusted her instinct to burn it all down.
We discuss why maternal instinct is undermined by billion-dollar industries, how co-sleeping became her family's choice despite the shame, and why she stopped caring about getting her body back for the first time in her life.
She explains what fathers need to know about bonding, why exclusively pumping saved her mental health, the unsolicited advice that wounds new mothers, and what people should actually do to support someone postpartum (spoiler: don't ask to hold the baby).
This is a masterclass in surrender, trusting yourself when the world profits from your doubt, and finding the most alive version of yourself by letting go of who you thought you needed to be.
Jenna's Instagram:
@thesaltairmama
Bevan's Offering's:
Website: www.theembodiedmind.com.au
Instagram: @bevanpfeiffer

Mar 2, 2026
Mar 2, 2026
1 hr 27 min
James Buckley is a somatic sex and relationship coach who has spent 17 years navigating non-monogamy, kink, and the messy, complicated terrain of modern masculinity.
What does it mean to be a man when you have no male role models? How do you rebuild yourself after your closest friends stage an intervention and force you to confront the worst version of yourself? And why is the manosphere teaching young men that eating pussy makes them submissive?
Expect to learn how James went from blacking out for days and drinking mouthwash to five years of sobriety, why jealousy might actually be something to lean into rather than avoid, what Morocco taught him about masculine affection, the difference between envy and jealousy that most people miss, why homo-hysteria is keeping men dangerously isolated, how to have the non-monogamy conversation without making your partner spiral, what happened when James ran a 250-person camping festival for alternative relationships, why the manosphere's version of masculinity is profoundly weak, and much more.
This conversation goes deep.
James' Offerings:
Website: https://www.enmaustralia.com.au
Instagram : @enm.australia
Bevan's Offerings:
Website: www.theembodiedmind.com.au
Instagram: @bevanpfeiffer

Feb 22, 2026
Feb 22, 2026
1 hr 25 min
Jonathan Symonds is a holistic counsellor specialising in somatic healing, emotional integration, and helping men reconnect with their bodies after years of living in their heads.
What We Discuss:
• Why traditional talk therapy kept Jonathan stuck in a "healing loop" for 8 years—and what finally broke the pattern
• The moment everything he knew about healing stopped working, and how regression became his greatest teacher
• Why men are conditioned to disconnect from their bodies, and the specific practices that helped Jonathan rebuild that connection
• How judgment of others reveals what we're afraid to feel in ourselves
• The difference between spiritual bypassing and grounded spiritual growth—and why psychedelic insights mean nothing without integration
• Why healing isn't linear, and how to navigate the inevitable "backwards" moments without losing trust in the process
• The role of meaning-making in trauma: how the stories we tell ourselves keep pain locked in the body
• Why men struggle with loneliness later in life, and what emotional literacy actually looks like in practice
• How to know when you're avoiding versus when you're genuinely choosing to do nothing
• The 1% rule: the smallest embodied action you can take today to reclaim agency in your life
• Why transformation requires letting a part of you die—and how to surrender to the unknown without a safety net
Follow Jonathan: Instagram: @jonathansymonds
Website: www.jonathansymonds.net
Follow Bevan: instagram: @bevanpfeiffer
Website: www.theembodiedmind.com.au

Feb 2, 2026
Feb 2, 2026
1 hr 11 min
What happens when we stop performing for each other and start being real? In this episode, I sit down with Sara, a group therapist who creates spaces where vulnerability becomes contagious in the best possible way—where the very thing that terrifies us, being exposed in front of others, becomes the doorway to profound transformation.
We explore what group therapy does that individual therapy cannot, why shame loses its power when spoken aloud to witnesses, and how conflict—when held well becomes connection. Sara shares the unique magic of interpersonal process groups, where there's no curriculum, no theme, just the raw practice of staying present to what's happening inside you as it happens.
In this conversation, we discuss:
Why healing happens differently when witnessed by many instead of one
The neuroscience of being seen by multiple people simultaneously
How group therapy acts as a mirror for your interpersonal patterns
The agreements that create safety for radical honesty
Why the person who activates you most teaches you the most about yourself
How social media and technology are reshaping our ability to connect
The role of culture, projection, and shame in group dynamics
Why conflict is essential for growth (and how to navigate it)
The most powerful transformations Sara has witnessed in groups
If you've ever wondered what it would be like to drop your mask in a room with strangers and speak the unspeakable, or if you're curious about how we learn to be human together in an age that's forgotten how to connect—this conversation is for you.
Bevan's therapeutic website:
https://www.theembodiedmind.com.au/
Sara's Links:
Instagram: @groups_in_private_practice
Website: www.groupsinprivatepractice.com

Jan 6, 2026
Jan 6, 2026
1 hr 29 min
Ruby Chapman is a retreat space creator, energy worker, and spiritual guide based in Mudgee, Australia.
Ruby has spent years navigating the edges of her comfort zone—from solo pilgrimages through the Andes to building Zensei, her wellness retreat space. In this conversation, we explore trust, presence, grief, shadow work, and what it means to surrender to something beyond our control.
Expect to learn how Ruby learned to trust her intuition over her logical mind, what happened during her spiritual awakening in Peru, why solitude is one of the most powerful tools for self-discovery, how to work with your nervous system to stay present, the ancient practice of collective grief ceremonies, why your shadow is just untransmuted light, how to distinguish between surrendering and giving up, the neuroscience behind consciousness and telepathy, why we can't actually multitask, and much more.
This conversation goes deep into the uncomfortable truths about spiritual growth, the power of being present, and the courage it takes to keep evolving when you can't see the path ahead
Bevan's Therpautic offerings:
https://theembodiedmind.com.au/
Ruby's Retreat Space:
https://www.zensiretreat.com.au/

Dec 29, 2025
Dec 29, 2025
54 min
Welcome to The Space Between, where we explore the transformative journey of self-worth, vulnerability, and authentic masculinity. In this episode, clinical psychotherapist Bevan Pfeiffer sits down with Jackson Goding for a raw, honest conversation about the hidden stories we tell ourselves, the roots of shame, and the courage it takes to step into the unknown.
Discover how early experiences shape our sense of value, why men struggle with emotional expression, and how embracing vulnerability can lead to deeper relationships and true personal growth. Jackson shares his own battles with identity, addiction, and the masks we wear, offering practical insights on boundaries, self-acceptance, and the healing power of community.
Whether you’re seeking to break free from old narratives, understand the difference between self-worth and self-esteem, or learn how to set healthy boundaries in love and life, this episode is your guide to thriving in the space between who you are and who you want to become.
Bevan's Therapeutic Website:
https://www.theembodiedmind.com.au/
Jackson's Therapeutic Website:
https://findreasontherapy.com.au/






